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July 05, 2011
. . . . . that is the question. Now here is a conundrum to tax your brains. Just suppose I was to build a fully functional, working time-travel machine (I know it’s possible cos I’ve seen one in action on the telly) and I travelled back in time to see my grandmother. The time machine materialises in a street in Bolton, right in front of a passing young lady who happens to be my grandmother and pregnant with my father. The shock of seeing this strange apparition suddenly appearing in front of her causes her to step backwards right in front of a passing horseless carriage and she is killed instantly, and of course her unborn child (my father) dies as well. Anxious to avoid publicity as a crowd gathers I jump back into my TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions In Space) machine and put it into reverse without thinking of the consequences of my actions. As soon as I reach the point in time from where I started, 5 July 2012, I instantly disappear because neither the Tardis or I ever existed. Well how could I? My grandmother died young in 1914 without giving birth! Now the question is that if I didn’t exist I couldn’t have built a time machine and gone back in time to cause the accident that killed my grandmother. This means that she wasn’t killed and gave birth to my father and everything was as it should be, so I do exist and I build a time machine and go back to 1914 and cause my grandmothers demise. Then I come back to my own time and promptly vanish because neither the Tardis or I ever existed. Well how could I? My grandmother died young in 1914 without giving birth! If I didn’t exist I couldn’t have built a time machine and gone back in time to cause the accident that killed my grandmother. This means that she wasn’t killed and gave birth to my father and everything was as it should be, so I do exist and I build a time machine and go back to 1914 and cause my grandmothers demise. . . . . . . So am I caught in a ‘time loop’ which goes on forever? Or is there an answer to this? If I don’t exist I can’t build a time machine and go back to just before the incident, or just after she gives birth to my father; and if I do exist then I am doomed to repeat the same mistake because it would not occur to me to change the time of my arrival in the past. Help!
7 Comments posted on "To exist, or not to exist . . . . ."
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betsy on July 6th, 2011 at 1:47 am #
Ummmm….. That’s got you baffled hasn’t it?
sue on July 6th, 2011 at 1:52 am #
or–there may be an infinity of alternative universes, and a person may take many many paths through them, including one that didn’t involve doing away with one’s grandmother. Sort of a variation on “He’s his own Grandpa”. Well I did think about saying that I met this beautiful woman in 1913 and slept with her, only to find out in my own time that she was my grandmother. Would that be incest? – Keith.
The Silver Fox on July 6th, 2011 at 4:10 am #
All the time machine theories are just that, of course. Theories. Comic books in particular like playing with them. There is the “time loop” aspect looming large, of course. Let’s say that in 2011, I get in my time machine and go back to 1865 to prevent the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. I succeed. He doesn’t die. The new “reality” is that I grow up in a world where Lincoln was never assassinated. So… I would have no reason to go back to 1865, right? Lincoln, without my interference, is murdered. And the cycle would continue, ad infinitum. Most comic books used to state “You can’t change the past.” (Well, other than injecting yourself into it, I suppose.) That would mean that — as in your example — your presence would not — could not — have caused your grandmother’s death. Period. So even if you planned your visit to fulfill a specific task, the Fates would do something… anything… to keep you from doing it. Later, the comic writers played with things a bit more, and many amended it to say that you can’t affect your own “reality,” but your actions would create an alternate timeline (as Sue mentioned). So in your example, there would be a reality in which your father and you never lived. But the “you” from “your” reality still exists. I guess we won’t know until someone actually does it. That is, assuming no one has already, without our knowledge… Heh. (Let’s hope my comment shows up this time!) My blog is set up so that first time comments have to be approved. After approval the comments automatically appear without the need for approval. I can also ban people permanently, this is to prevent spammers. I removed one of your comments because the two were identical. Perhaps the future world will be devastated by wars because Abraham Lincoln had lived? Someone could have gone back in time and arranged to have him shot to prevent it from happening by putting the idea to John Booth and his gang. – Keith.
helen on July 6th, 2011 at 9:21 am #
Tut, that’s what you get for messing about with time paradoxes, don’t you listen to the Dr? Oh yes, I listened to the doctor. He told me, after my latest brain scan, that I would soon be well enough to be released back into the community. – Keef.
Anji on July 6th, 2011 at 11:39 am #
You should go back to just before you set off and warn yourself not to go. The sight of yourself would probably give you a heart attack and kill you. Problem solved. That wouldn’t work either. As I stated, if I come back to the present to warn myself I wouldn’t be here (I don’t exist in the present) so I couldn’t go back to to just before I set off. The answer is to get back in the machine in 1914 and travel further back long before my grandmother came along and then immediately return to the future before anything else happened to change it. Er. . . not sure what you meant by “. . .give you a heart attack and kill you”, and “Problem solved.” – Keith.
Invader_Stu on July 7th, 2011 at 10:21 pm #
You would create a paradox and whole universe would explode… of course then you would not have been around to course the paradox so it would not happen. but then you would be around to make it happen but then it would not happen but then it would happen… Great Scott! Keep thinking Stu, you’re beginning to understand. – Keith.
Invader_Stu on July 8th, 2011 at 12:26 pm #
If I keep in on thinking I’ll have an aneurysm. Is that with a twist of lemon and soda? In that case I’ll have one too. – Keith Post a comment
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